Guest Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) If there isn't already a topic open about a particular trade, what's the protocol/right place to share trade-made-info? For example, this forum topic http://steadyoptions.com/forum/topic/1497-september-16-20-2013-trade-candidates/ includes some good ORCL straddle info as it relates to earnings. On 9/16, I opened ORCL Oct 19 $33 straddle at $2.14 (its now showing $2.23). The trade should hopefully pop up post-earnings and, thus, I plan to sell tomorrow. So, where to share info? would I put a new topic under earnings trades? Here? in the trade-candidate thread? Not exactly an interesting trade, but it made me realize I didn't know where to share Thanks! Edited September 18, 2013 by red_bp Quote
Guest Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) Thanks, Kim. I may be confused--the earnings is today after close. I expected increase in straddle value post earnings with stock movement. And, to close trade tomorrow following earnings which are today after hour. No? Edited September 18, 2013 by red_bp Quote
Guest Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) Hummm...I'm missing something. Didn't close it. Going with closing it tomorrow. AH move is a jump up and I was counting on that to increase straddle value tomorrow not today. It did bump up 9.8% as of right before closing ($2.35) today (that was largely the call increasing in value) but I expect higher tomorrow. I won't cry in my tea about it if it doesn't, but my look at historical stock movement (and expected movement) concurred with DBH21 look at straddles increasing +1 day after earnings announcement. Perhaps I read DBH21 incorrectly though. I do get it that the collapse in IV from earnings date to next day is very large and my straddle is then reliant upon stock movement alone (similar to purchase of far OTM call pre-earnings which is very much a gambler's move)... Edited September 18, 2013 by red_bp Quote
Guest Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 Looking at historical IV charts, ORCL IV on the Oct series is likely to drop to around 20%. Which means your break-even point is about $35 for the stock tomorrow. At $34.25, the spread will likely be worth something around the $1.80 to $1.90 range tomorrow. Quote
Guest Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 Hummm...I'm missing something. Didn't close it. Going with closing it tomorrow. AH move is a jump up and I was counting on that to increase straddle value tomorrow not today. It did bump up 9.8% as of right before closing ($2.35) today (that was largely the call increasing in value) but I expect higher tomorrow. I won't cry in my tea about it if it doesn't, but my look at historical stock movement (and expected movement) concurred with DBH21 look at straddles increasing +1 day after earnings announcement. Perhaps I read DBH21 incorrectly though. I do get it that the collapse in IV from earnings date to next day is very large and my straddle is then reliant upon stock movement alone (similar to purchase of far OTM call pre-earnings which is very much a gambler's move)... My charts just show this historical data (if you placed straddles or dbl cals) for the 4 earnings. For oracle, the monthlies on average looked great to hold through earnings, but I also attached the non-averaged data to show how those post-earning trades actually faired (which I normally do not because it is overwhelming). Roughly speaking, it was a 3:4 chance of it working out for you historically. I'm going to eventually present those statistics more clearly, but for now it is what it is. Quote
Guest Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 I actually sold the 32 34 36 iron fly for 1.22 credit before close. lol Quote
Guest Posted September 19, 2013 Posted September 19, 2013 DBH21--yes,thank you. Your data was useful (and not overwhelming, btw), and I appreciate it. It reinforced the information I'd pulled about stock movement for ORCL. In the general case, thus far, I've made more money simply from IV collapse with earnings than anything else--therefore, this trade (buying and holding the straddle through earnings) is opposite of my normal trading preferences when I think there will be large IV collapse immediately with earnings. Quote
Guest Posted September 19, 2013 Posted September 19, 2013 Looking at historical IV charts, ORCL IV on the Oct series is likely to drop to around 20%. Which means your break-even point is about $35 for the stock tomorrow. At $34.25, the spread will likely be worth something around the $1.80 to $1.90 range tomorrow. Thanks so much. The highest I saw after hours pop was $34.85 or so before dropping back down to $34.20-ish. Quote
Guest Posted September 19, 2013 Posted September 19, 2013 i ended up buying back the iron fly for 69 cents. Quote
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